Pro Index

[rdub]

All you folks who want to run PRO Index
(Washburn, Chris )STU P
My autoevents .com
It took me a minute to find how to do it
click the street tire index box and PRO Index is under there.
So BOYS edit those entries

[aansorge]

A mini? You've already had one of those!

I don't think I am going to Valley Fair this year as the wife works both days (7am -4...kids need someone at home) so I won't be in the mix.

[rdub]

2 words...GOOD INDEX
actually I sold my last one 2 buy 2 cars....my Miata and my truck
and I really liked that car
The 05 Mini has a bit more rear suspension adjustment

[aansorge]

I changed my mind...I'm coming and am registered in DS proindex for Saturday. It'll be a battle!!!

Good choice for Pax..I think HS took a light hit. Getting shocks for that thing? What tires? Take a look at Hankook C71 compound as I am hearing good things about them and they are cheap.

[phile]

Don't forget, the Met Council rules have been changed on how you display your class.

PRO Class:
The "P" comes first.
PASP or pASP or P ASP.

STEET TIRE INDEX or "T" Class:
The "T" comes first.
TASP or tASP or T ASP

[washburn]

We decided to run STU this year. Heard someone got an HS Mini....figured there's no point. :)

[Ivan]

Seem to remember Chris D. and a couple other "top 10ers" posting in the initial thread... that they wouldn't want to run Pro if it were just another "best of 6 runs class". I'm willing to give it a try in the current configuration, and see where it goes.

--Ivan

p.s. Oh, and by "give it a try", I mean kick Rdub's butt! :p:evil:
(wasn't it about time the smack-talk started?)

[rdub]

Thats The Only Way I'd Run It Is If We Get All Our Runs
NO PAT OR CHRIS ,WHY...YOU GUYS WERE WORRIED YOU'D BE ....STUP....BUT THATS CHANGED
smack???? butt???

[Ivan]

I wouldn't want to take less than the full amount of runs either. But splitting the 6 runs into 2 sets of best-of-3 was the preferred solution by some. It was a compromise. I was just surmising why more people haven't signed up.

edit: cripes you edit your posts a lot... Yes, "smack" and "butt" probably shouldn't have been in the same thought... or should they? ;)

[washburn]

Heh. My entry was changed to Pro. I don't know what Chris is going to do. I don't even remember what we decided...first three runs count? All 6? Whatever...doesn't matter. Don't want to be a sissy! :)

[DaveBahl]

[QUOTE=aansorge;101480]A mini? You've already had one of those!

What "hasn't" he had????:lol:

[murph]

I hope to compare 3-run times with people on a separate spreadsheet of some sort, but compete in DS.

I like the idea of pushing ourselves to win in 3, (I certainly had lots of 6th-run wins last year) but if that's not the point I feel the pro class is kind of pointless.

[rdub]

why pointless.......we are racing each other against the index....in a seperate class,3 runs ,6 runs ,what ever,you don't have to run in it then. Part of the original PRO class idea,was to open regular classes to new autoxers who may not have the time or money to win against a season "pro",but who are close, and it becomes a bit of a stepping stone then.(don't want folks to get discouraged)
Once they get the experience then they may want to join Pro.
Pro was never really about the people in it and what they wanted ,it was a friendly gesture to other autox'ers,so maybe they'd feel they had a chance to get a trophy now and then.

[Ivan]

Looks like calling people out worked :D
7-8 registered for M1 & M2 ... sweet.

[rdub]

X actly....maybe a few more need some poking

[tyrayb]

Looks like calling people out worked :D
7-8 registered for M1 & M2 ... sweet.

At the expense of a deep STU class :(

Tyler "Proud to be an amateur" B.

[MNbiker]

X actly....maybe a few more need some poking
Not happening for me this year, with the brutal PAX for XP. If the Miata isn't ready in time, maybe I'll find another ride & come play. :)

-Steve

[washburn]

At the expense of a deep STU class :(

Tyler "Proud to be an amateur" B.

8 isn't too too shallow either.

[speedyham]

Not happening for me this year, with the brutal PAX for XP. If the Miata isn't ready in time, maybe I'll find another ride & come play. :)

-Steve

Booooo!!!! I need you to get out and run that beast so I can figure out how much I've improved and how far I still have to go.

Sorry to go off topic- please back to the normal program.

[CDeutsch]

Looks like calling people out worked :D
7-8 registered for M1 & M2 ... sweet.

For the record, I only changed because Pat did and it's important to get the co-drive routine done. ;) Otherwise Pro would only appeal to me if it were a 3 run format, but since that didn't get in there's no use crying about it until next years rules meeting.

Now I got to buy some P's for PSTU (pea stew? yuk)

[austinpike]

At the expense of a deep STU class still one of the larger classes... two years ago it was more like 3 regulars. I might end up there but I have some leftover R-comps I want to burn up first...

[tyrayb]

8 isn't too too shallow either.

Agreed. My point was that it doesn't make sense to break up an already competitive class to form a bigger pro class.

[tyrayb]

Now I got to buy some P's for PSTU (pea stew? yuk)

:lol:


still one of the larger classes... two years ago it was more like 3 regulars. I might end up there but I have some leftover R-comps I want to burn up first...

Awesome, come join the fun. Tire are (marginally) cheaper here!

Tyler

[ricksellner]

A mini you are a rush Randy. I have the years in to be pro just not the skills. GL fellas.

[shane86]

i hopped into pro class so i could car S-L-U-T remorese free, compete with the same group of people, and still qualifiy for season points.

Pro could be a fun change from just regular STX... then again.... i may get WHOMPED on and leave pro after my first 2 events... atleast STX has a decent pax :)

[Darryl]

i hopped into pro class so i could car S-L-U-T remorese free, compete with the same group of people, and still qualifiy for season points.

Pro could be a fun change from just regular STX... then again.... i may get WHOMPED on and leave pro after my first 2 events... atleast STX has a decent pax :)

Come back to STX Shane... The PAX result will be the same... We can push each other in STX...

[AlexL]

Chris and I couldn't run Pro if we wanted to. "371 PSTS2" won't fit on the side of a Miata.

[MNbiker]

Chris and I couldn't run Pro if we wanted to. "371 PSTS2" won't fit on the side of a Miata.
If that's your only excuse, I'm sure we could grant you some latitude in class labeling. ;)

[Amy]

Chris and I couldn't run Pro if we wanted to. "371 PSTS2" won't fit on the side of a Miata.

Taking the rainbow and unicorn stickers off would add some extra room.

[shane86]

Taking the rainbow and unicorn stickers off would add some extra room.
OohHhh.... BURN. :flame:
Go amy!

P.S. was that you guys i spotted yesterday night on 101 north crossing over 12/394?

[AlexL]

P.S. was that you guys i spotted yesterday night on 101 north crossing over 12/394?
That was us.

And for the record, we don't have any rainbow or unicorn stickers on the Miata. All we have are Randy's flaming flames and a red stripe.

[rdub]

AHHHHH the chrome flames.....

[porkbone]

I thought about running pro class, but I'm not ready to run with the big boys quite yet. Gotta give the lucky lugnut one more year to do its magic.

[gsk8r]

Taking the rainbow and unicorn stickers off would add some extra room.


BWAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAA!!! :lol::lol::rockon

[SmokingTires]

We'll see if I can get up the stones and the money to come play in Pro this year. Need a set of R's to start.

[shane86]

My entry just got a little change.... :D
Thanks Alan!

[washburn]

My entry just got a little change.... :D
Thanks Alan!

Nice! Your fun factor just went up, but sorry to say....not your finishing position! Bwaaahaaaahaaaa...

10 in Pro ....nice!

[K.Beumer]

Since no one else will be in FM I may as well jump in so there will be an 11. Plus my class designation will be PFM. Pure.. well you know.

Keith

[Ivan]

designation will be PFM. Pure.. well you know.

Fairy Magic? http://iaustin.home.comcast.net/~iaustin/scared0018.gif

[gsk8r]

...Flying monkeys? :dancin:

[SUV-ETR]

Taking the rainbow and unicorn stickers off would add some extra room.

Shu-ZAM! :rockon

Hmmm...Alex and Chris better keep that car under guard at all times, or I foresee some creative decoration from other "volunteers". :evil:


For the record, I only changed because Pat did and it's important to get the co-drive routine done. ;) Otherwise Pro would only appeal to me if it were a 3 run format, but since that didn't get in there's no use crying about it until next years rules meeting.

Ditto all that, plus the fact that we already have 2 drivers running BS in the car. We could always compete on PAX ranking without PRO, so I'd rather see the class include some sort of special challenge like the "dual 3-run event" scoring.

Neal
"P(ure)BS"

[EWAustin]

WAITWaitwait,

So Neal and Ivan will be running
http://wvde.state.wv.us/interactiveprofessionaldevelopment/images/PBS_logo.gif

Too funny...

[SUV-ETR]

WAITWaitwait,

So Neal and Ivan will be running...

We'll be running our first "pledge drive" after MOWOG-1. Any/all contributions are welcome, but pledges of $150 or more will receive an autographed Kumho V710. :rockon

It might have even been one of the tires that beat Randy this year. (though I expect we'll have a large supply of those... :evil: )

Neal
(smack=ON)

[zurno]

question is, instead of putting PBS on the car, can they just use the Logo?

[AlexL]

pledges of $150 or more will receive an autographed Kumho V710
New or used?

[rdub]

Tires that have been used to beat me will be extinct this year
you'll have to wait till I retire(get it...re-tire) and buy my autographed WINNING tires

[Darryl]

Tires that have been used to beat me will be extinct this year
you'll have to wait till I retire(get it...re-tire) and buy my autographed WINNING tires

You mean wait until Pdub, 08 driver of the year, retires...

Need to start a ProPaxPool...

[tyrayb]

Need to start a ProPaxPool...

Let's see, Pat is the course designer for Mowog 1&2 (maybe 7&8 too). If there is money involved, I'll take Mr. Washburn.

Is it too early to start the "Evo course" talk?

[rdub]

Guess I'm the underdog this year....sweet

[SUV-ETR]

Guess I'm the underdog this year....sweet

But don't feel bad...your little car is still plenty cute enough for rainbow and unicorn stickers. :p

[Darryl]

Guess I'm the underdog this year....sweet

What, one time in ten years... uuooos need to earn it back...

It'll be a great season seeing the dogs going at it... Good change a GIRL will top 5... I need to improve on last years 98th place pax...

[SalahK]

For M2, Andreas and I were going to run his Evo in PRO until he informed me that he is running Yoko A-032Rs. Given that the list of PRO entrants reads like the "who's who" of Minnesota AutoX, I convinced him that it would likely take superhuman effort just to finish midpack.

If it gets unusually cold at M2 (High below 50), we may have to reconsider.

[washburn]

Guess I'm the underdog this year....sweet

You *were* the underdog until you cherry picked the softest index and went out and bought a car for it. [I need flamethrower guy here] Good thing SS isn't the softest index, that would have set you back! :)

There are some decidedly manly cars in Pro this year, I guess a Mini wouldn't look *too* out of place in the Pro grid. PHS....looks like something that gets tagged onto your name when you finish 12 years of college. "Randy Williams PHS" Kinda has a ring to it. I'm going to pronounce it: "fffffffff".

[rdub]

My car is cute...I'm cute.....hug me when you see me....
Rdub I have a PHS in fashion design from NYU

[SmokingTires]

My hats in the ring...

No Trash talk though....

[washburn]

No Trash talk though....

Too late......

[SmokingTires]

Too late......

I meant none from me. You guys have at it!

[AlexL]

The only trash talk you'll hear from me is that I hope Pro is prepared to be consistently slower than STS2 open. ;)

[EWAustin]

My hats in the ring...

No Trash talk though....


Do I detect an air of humility? This could be a first from Mr. Brausen :lol:

[G. Jay]

The only trash talk you'll hear from me is that I hope Pro is prepared to be consistently slower than STS2 open. ;)

I'd be careful on that. STS2 has a bogus PAX partly based on a tire that was promised but not delivered. I'd say STS2 in a Miata is not the place to be in you want to pick on the PRO's. At least I'm not going to smack talk on it.

[Rex Jr]

Do I detect an air of humility? This could be a first from Mr. Brausen :lol:

He's getting wise in his old age ;)

[rdub]

He just knows how bad the CS index is!!!!!!!

[MNbiker]

He just knows how bad the CS index is!!!!!!!
bahh......I'd kill for an index as soft as CS! :p

-Steve
(hard at work, trying to build a car worthy of that silly XP PAX....)

[rdub]

cs went up .009, xp went up .008
while lowly hs went up .003

[MNbiker]

cs went up .009, xp went up .008
while lowly hs went up .003

Yeah, we all know HS has a soft PAX - you big softie!

CS went up based on actual results. XP went up based on Rick Ruth's wild-$ssed guess at performance potential. Hopefully, the cars will catch up to his expectations soon.

[SUV-ETR]

bahh......I'd kill for an index as soft as CS! :p

The XP PAX is softer than HS, IMHO. But building a proper, competitive, max-prep XP car is a whole 'nuther story! :p

Same used to be true of SM...some say it still is.

Neal

[aansorge]

I'm slipping out of ProPax on account of the weather. I'd rather run in the same heat as my co-driver to ensure I have some heat in my tires. That is unless ProPax will be running in the same heat as Stock. Anyone know?

[MNbiker]

....That is unless ProPax will be running in the same heat as Stock. Anyone know?
To be determined. I'll know by tomorrow.

[SUV-ETR]

To be determined. I'll know by tomorrow.

Don't forget that we'll probably need to adjust things for cars with > 2 drivers. For example, if PRO runs with B-Stock, we'll have 4 drivers in the same car in the same heat.

I don't really care if we run in a different heat than the rest of PRO, or maybe it'd be easiest to move BS if PRO runs with the rest of Stock...

Neal

[rdub]

this is where PRO will get hard to manage
if 2 drivers sharing the car are not both in pro
no one gets there tires warmed.
And like Neil said.....if all 4 BSPro and BSopen are in the same heat,
tire warming or cooling may be a big problem.

[Ivan]

this is where PRO will get hard to manage
if 2 drivers sharing the car are not both in pro
no one gets there tires warmed.
And like Neil said.....if all 4 BSPro and BSopen are in the same heat,
tire warming or cooling may be a big problem.

For the 4 of us, there's no way we'd try to all run in the same heat. If it happened to be scheduled that way, 2 of us would change heats (or class if necessary).

[MNbiker]

Here are the Grid/Heat assignments for MOWOG 1 & 2. The mix of cars has changed quite a bit from last year, and it was pretty difficult to come up with balanced heats.


East Grid (running 1st on Saturday & 2nd on Sunday)
STU, Street Tire Index, Street Prepared, Prepared, SM2, F125, Pro

West Grid (running 2nd on Saturday & 1st on Sunday)
Stock, SI, STS, STS2, STX, SM


-Steve

[chuck b]

I'm slipping out of ProPax on account of the weather. I'd rather run in the same heat as my co-driver to ensure I have some heat in my tires.

not good enough to win on cold tires? what was that? did I hear a, "bahk, bahbahk" as in chicken! ha! (probably doesn't mean much from a guy that's not running in Pro and now has to deal with you as an additional challenge in DS- should be good times!).

maybe all the pro's should rent cheap dates to be their tire warmers.

[aansorge]

Mainly the desire not to run on cold tires...I hate that!!

[EWAustin]

maybe all the pro's should rent cheap dates to be their tire warmers.

I'm a cheap date :D

I can be rented for merely the entry fee :rockon

[washburn]

Mainly the desire not to run on cold tires...I hate that!!

Heh...your tires are going to cold no matter what!

[SmokingTires]

Mainly the desire not to run on cold tires...I hate that!!

Maybe you haven't run at Valley Fair before? What are these warm tires you speak of?

Stay in the Pro battle!

[aansorge]

With temps in the high 40's, the tires will warm somewhat with two drivers as long as it is dry. Somewhat warm 710s stick much better than cold 710's from my experience. Plus I want to kick Chuck's $%&?!! just like the good old days!