Dyno Day at LSE Performance

[RedlineToy]

Talked to Aaron and the first day they have open for a group is July 28th. We would need 10 people to have a day for us and that would get everyone 3 pulls for $50 versus the normal $75. They can handle more then 10 people, that is just the minimum number.

I am happy to organize this so just let me know who would like to come to LSE on the 28th. They have reserved that date for us.

They have a grill we can use, would anyone be interested in some burgers for lunch. I will pick up the necessities if those eating can chip in a couple of bucks.

Saturday July 28th, 10:00am - ?
LSE Performance, LLC
13915 Radium Street Northwest
Anoka, MN 55303
Directions are on their website www.lseperformance.com.

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9. Nate Abel
10. Dave Hidebrandt
11. Mark
12. Rick Sellner
13. Jim Benson
14. Todd Allison
15. Max Tynuv
16. Lon Tusler
17. Michael Walters
18. Izaak Jordan
19. Jeremiah Johnson
Thanks,

[MN01GXE]

I would love to be involved to compare my new sentra to my old (dynoed at LSE last year)...but something tells me that my fiance wouldn't like me spending the saturday before our wedding gone all day for my car instead of helping her tie up loose ends and keeping her calm. Keep me in mind if another one gets set up, or if the date changes.

[LSE Performance]

I would love to be involved to compare my new sentra to my old (dynoed at LSE last year)...but something tells me that my fiance wouldn't like me spending the saturday before our wedding gone all day for my car instead of helping her tie up loose ends and keeping her calm. Keep me in mind if another one gets set up, or if the date changes.

You can always have someone borrow your car for the day :rockon

[stoooo]

You can always have someone borrow your car for the day :rockon
I did that last year for Larry 'I need to know how far down on HP my car is' B. Ask around, you might find a volunteer.

Stuart.

[Wayne92SLC]

I'm in! I rebuilt the engine in my Corrado about a year and a half ago and have never gotten it on the rollers to see how it's doing. They're gonna have a wideband A/F log as well, right?

-Wayne

[Wayne92SLC]

Would it be o.k. for a non-MAC member to join in? Or is this strictly a MAC gig?

-Wayne

[weidnerpaul]

Would it be o.k. for a non-MAC member to join in? Or is this strictly a MAC gig?

-Wayne

Anyone!

[RedlineToy]

Yes, anyone we need to get to 10 people.

They have a grill, would anyone else want to do lunch?

Paul, are you in and could we purchase any of those burgers from you?

[weidnerpaul]

Yes, anyone we need to get to 10 people.

They have a grill, would anyone else want to do lunch?

Paul, are you in and could we purchase any of those burgers from you?

Burgers Sure, I can't say yes/no until I check my calendar at home tonite...

If I go I may need a helper to get the second car to the dyno, anyone want to drive a three wheeler?
(You'll need a motorcycle license)

[stoooo]

If I go I may need a helper to get the second car to the dyno, anyone want to drive a three wheeler?
(You'll need a motorcycle license)
You'd better warn LSE that they'll need to put in a 3rd ramp on the dyno. Or a couple of burly chaps could just lift it on, I suppose.

Stuart.

[weidnerpaul]

You'd better warn LSE that they'll need to put in a 3rd ramp on the dyno. Or a couple of burly chaps could just lift it on, I suppose.

Stuart.


I'll just drive it up (rear wheel off) and they can dyno it in reverse!

Wouldn't need to be too burly...

[somepunk22]

Paul, I have a motorcycle license, and I'm getting better 3-wheeling. :D

I'm also up for burgers/brats.

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

[sapalas]

My car should be fixed by then and I would like to see what gains i got over stock. So count me in, luch sounds good too.

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

[Wayne92SLC]

Anyone!

Sweet! I'll let my road race buddies know that it's o.k. to come out and play! :D

I'll let you know if I get any commitments.

-Wayne

[Tyro]

I'm in

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7.
8.
9.

[weidnerpaul]

I'm in:

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8.
9.


And Dan, does three wheeling the 'dub mean you'd be two wheeling the Tricar?
:p

[BergeGuy]

I'm in:

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9.

[silveracer]

Time to find out what the focus or GT is made of.
Nate

[somepunk22]

And Dan, does three wheeling the 'dub mean you'd be two wheeling the Tricar?
:p

Well since it is your idea, and not mine... sure!

[Dave H.]

I'm in! Tyler and I will bring the M3 by.

[MN01GXE]

I'm in:

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9.


Dang it!! Now you really make me want to find a way to get the SE-R there for a comparo.

[SHOruns]

I'll be their with my 94' SHO. I'll see if any other SHO's would like to go too. lunch sounds good. should we bring something or contribute $5 or ? thanks for organizing this. Mark Breuninger

[Wayne92SLC]

I'm in:

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9.

I feel weird being the only guy on the list without a last name. I shoulda went with Fabio or Sting...

(last name is Schmidt :D )

[weidnerpaul]

1. Larry Sanders
2. Fabio Sting
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9.
I feel weird being the only guy on the list without a last name. I shoulda went with Fabio or Sting...

(last name is Schmidt :D )

Fixed!!!
:bigeyes:

PS, DON'T use this list to add your name...

[RedlineToy]

Thanks for the help Paul.

Wayne it should be set now.

[weidnerpaul]

Thanks for the help Paul.

Looks good, I see we'll be calling Wayne by his new nickname from now on...

[ricksellner]

I'll show up.I'll need help finding new location.Hope to have fuel starvation problem fixed by then.Cheap dyno is my friend.

[RedlineToy]

Talked to Aaron and the first day they have open for a group is July 28th. We would need 10 people to have a day for us and that would get everyone 3 pulls for $50 versus the normal $75. They can handle more then 10 people, that is just the minimum number.

I am happy to organize this so just let me know who would like to come to LSE on the 28th. They have reserved that date for us.

They have a grill we can use, would anyone be interested in some burgers for lunch. I will pick up the necessities if those eating can chip in a couple of bucks.

Saturday July 28th, 10:00am - ?
LSE Performance, LLC
13915 Radium Street Northwest
Anoka, MN 55303
Directions are on their website www.lseperformance.com.

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9. Nate
10. Dave Hidebrandt
11. Mark
12. Rick Sellner

Thanks,

Just a reminder to those that are attending, let me know if you cannot attend. An invitation to any more that would like to join us. They can easily handle 8 more people.

I will be bringing hamburgers. Drinks are on your own.

[sapalas]

I will not be able to make it as of right now. My car still isn't done, still waiting for injectors:flame: . If some sort of miracle happens I will join back up but for now I am out.

[Tyro]

I'm adding a friend:

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9. Nate
10. Dave Hidebrandt
11. Mark
12. Rick Sellner
13. Jim Benson

[somepunk22]

I might be backing out. Might have to try out rally-x for the first time instead. :rockon

[91TB78]

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9. Nate
10. Dave Hidebrandt
11. Mark
12. Rick Sellner
13. Jim Benson
14. Todd Allison

[turbod16]

Is it too late to sign for Dyno Day? It seems you have more than 10 people already. If I still could sign up for it, could you put my name down please.
Max Tynuv- Honda Civic.
Thanks a lot.

[oldtoyota]

Any idea how long this will go from someone that has done it in the past?

I leave by around noon.

[RedlineToy]

Any idea how long this will go from someone that has done it in the past?

I leave by around noon.

We could have you be one of the first cars and that should easily get you out by noon.

[hex2bit]

Any more spots for this?!? I've been waiting for one of these to get a baseline for my FXT. I see there is 15 listed already. If any more can fit, count me in!

[Tyro]

Adding another:

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9. Nate
10. Dave Hidebrandt
11. Mark
12. Rick Sellner
13. Jim Benson
14. Todd Allison
15. Lon Tusler

We could use an updated list..those who cannot make it, plz revise.

[wannabfast]

i would love to go.. but mechanical issues will NOT be fixed by then...

[somepunk22]

:x

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Jess Meyer
5. Paul Weidner
6. Daniel Berge
7. Nate
8. Dave Hidebrandt
9. Mark
10. Rick Sellner
11. Jim Benson
12. Todd Allison
13. Lon Tusler

[tmalzahn]

Count me in.

I'll bring the yet-un-dyno'd mega compression Integra.

-Tim

[esper]

put me on the list too if its not too late. I want to see what my new mapping is doing.

[LSE Performance]

Been extremely busy here at the shop, no time for even the internet!
But I"ve managed to pop on here to check out the progress on this event.

We are excited to see everyone here saturday!

The grill will be going, hotdogs and hamburgers will be available.

[Tyro]

Thanks for having us..looking forward to it!

[LSE Performance]

Also, lets try to keep it under 25 cars ;).

We'll get some propane for the grill then and have that available for saturday.

[RedlineToy]

Been extremely busy here at the shop, no time for even the internet!
But I"ve managed to pop on here to check out the progress on this event.

We are excited to see everyone here saturday!

The grill will be going, hotdogs and hamburgers will be available.

Josh,

Looking forward to Saturday.

Are you going to be supplying the burgers and dogs? I had planned on picking them up and taking up a small collection. Just let me know which way you would like to take care of it. I will give you a call tomorrow.

Thanks,

[silveracer]

Do we have an order of who goes when? I'm trying to squeeze this into a day that keeps getting busy by the moment.




A Silveracer that's now a red racer, but still '73


"Got Schwartz!"

[esper]

If we could get a list of times together the morning works a lot better for me...

[ricksellner]

In past we did it in groups.Front drive then rear drive then all wheel drive.Not saying that it should be in this order.Just saying that it was done in past. Makes it easier and quicker.

[RedlineToy]

Not having done this before myself, Rick's schedule seems logical. However, I will probably leave it to Josh's discretion as it is his shop. I know he has been very busy but perhaps he will check the forum again and let us know his opinio.

[esper]

seeing as how i'm the only AWD car it might make sense for me to go first, get it out of the way :)

[oldtoyota]

I'm not going to be able to make it. Broken sway bar on the strut body will keep me away. That will be my first priority to fix this weekend.

So take number 3 off the list.

[esper]

well i am trying to plant he day with my wife who amy or may not also need the car, plus putting race gas in etc so it would be very helpful to know if I could get an early spot or not.

[RedlineToy]

well i am trying to plant he day with my wife who amy or may not also need the car, plus putting race gas in etc so it would be very helpful to know if I could get an early spot or not.

I am happy to give you one of the first spots. It will be mostly up to how Josh sets up the day, but again I do not see a problem accomodating your time needs.

[91TB78]

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Jess Meyer
5. Paul Weidner
6. Daniel Berge
7. Nate
8. Dave Hidebrandt
9. Mark
10. Rick Sellner
11. Jim Benson
12. Lon Tusler

[BergeGuy]

If we are going for a schedule, I'm interested in a morning spot myself.

[BergeGuy]

What time are we starting at tomorrow?

[RedlineToy]

Talked to Aaron and the first day they have open for a group is July 28th. We would need 10 people to have a day for us and that would get everyone 3 pulls for $50 versus the normal $75. They can handle more then 10 people, that is just the minimum number.

I am happy to organize this so just let me know who would like to come to LSE on the 28th. They have reserved that date for us.

They have a grill we can use, would anyone be interested in some burgers for lunch. I will pick up the necessities if those eating can chip in a couple of bucks.

Saturday July 28th, 10:00am - ?
LSE Performance, LLC
13915 Radium Street Northwest
Anoka, MN 55303
Directions are on their website www.lseperformance.com.

1. Larry Sanders
2. Wayne (Fabio) Schmidt
3. Steve Mosley
4. Dan Goffman
5. Shaun Sapala
6. Jess Meyer
7. Paul Weidner
8. Daniel Berge
9. Nate Abel
10. Dave Hidebrandt
11. Mark
12. Rick Sellner
13. Jim Benson
14. Todd Allison
15. Max Tynuv
16. Lon Tusler
17. Michael Walters
18. Izaak Jordan
19. Jeremiah Johnson
Thanks,

Here is the info for all that are coming.

I will have burgers, chips, ketchup, mustard, drinks are on your own.

See everyone tomorrow.

[SHOruns]

Duwayne Mattews will be coming also for the dyno test. Mark

[weidnerpaul]

Would like to be out by 1:30... If that works...

[LSE Performance]

See everyone here. We should be here around 9:30, setup should be quick as we don't have that much stuff in the way.

[weidnerpaul]

The Sprite put in an awesome performance, beating all the other cars there for the lowest HP/TQ of the day!
:lol:
63.5 HP, 72.9 Ft Lbs of Torque!!!

[esper]

214 whp, 275wtq

race gas mapping was too aggressive for 90 degrees. That was on a 91 octane pump gas map with 111 octane gas.

[RedlineToy]

I want to thank Josh and his team for hosting us, it was a good day.

Low HP - Paul, as stated in previous post
High HP - Dodge SRT10 Pickup 420HP

Best Sounding cars, Tim's Integra, got to love the VTEC, The Dave and Tyler M3 and Rick's camaro.

The miata was 114.9HP and 103.3 Torque.

Thanks everyone.

[speedyham]

214 whp, 275wtq

race gas mapping was too aggressive for 90 degrees. That was on a 91 octane pump gas map with 111 octane gas.

This actually makes me fairly happy. I put down 189 whp 207wtq yesterday when it was just a little over 90 in the shop, I was running 92 octane.

[ricksellner]

Thanks for the cheap dyno runs guys at LSE.I'd also like to thank speedy ham for the excellent burgers and setting the whole thing up good job.Car still running lean.I'll jet up some more today and see what happens.Course the less hp the better my autocross times should be.(The key word is should)

[speedyham]

Thanks for the cheap dyno runs guys at LSE.I'd also like to thank speedy ham for the excellent burgers and setting the whole thing up good job.Car still running lean.I'll jet up some more today and see what happens.Course the less hp the better my autocross times should be.(The key word is should)

Wasn't me- All thanks for the dyno day go to RedlineToy.

[esper]

This actually makes me fairly happy. I put down 189 whp 207wtq yesterday when it was just a little over 90 in the shop, I was running 92 octane.

That is slightly above what my EJ20G was putting down, strong number for that engine for sure.

I kind of want to go to RS and get my 300+ WTQ number but I just dont care enough. back to running the crappy cobb map on the street, 111 on the weekends and for autocrossing :evil:

[silveracer]

153 whp, 155 wtq
mix was a steady 11
92/95 octane

The turbo dun proud

[silveracer]

I ran the Focus not the Opel GT
give it up for 2.0 Z-Tech

[aansorge]

Could you guys tell us the motors and mods as I (and others) don't know what all you guys have.

[esper]

mine was a 2006 WRX wagon with a cobb catless turboback exhaust.

[silveracer]

Ford focus zx3 2.0 Z-tech
-Aerocharger turbo charger
-Borla cat back
-chip
-injectors
-Air to water inter cooler (off of a Cyclone)
-K&N airfilter
-New TPS
-Ford racing under drive pulley

Dave did I leave anything out?

Oh yeah, collaboration!

2 heads are better than one

[ricksellner]

1986 camaro with blown rear end.(hehe)

[weidnerpaul]

1986 camaro with blown rear end.(hehe)

:bigeyes:

Sorry to hear about that. And that your season is over. I was going to see if you wanted to drive the Miata but a mans word is a mans word...

My clutch pedal started feeling funny on the way home - sometimes hard to push down, sometimes OK. Will be bleeding tomorrow nite with help from Curt C. and will also be ordering a new slave on Mon AM (the master was replaced this spring, all new fluid at that time). Hope it's ready for M5...

[914 Dave]

Hey Nate, cool #'s to know on the ol' S2. I did a Gtech on it before the air to water went in, was using water injection to cool the charge, and of 5 runs, tossing out the best and worst, and averaging the remaining 3, was 168 whp. I don't recall what Josh tosses out as the "fudge" factors to compair his dyno to others, but if it was 15% for the dyno, and 15% for driveline loss, you're making over 200 at the crank! Good to know the AFR is nice and lean too. Did you try any of the other chip settings? That might be interesting to know as well, how they may affect the HP/TQ/AFR. Maybe that will be the next dyno day...

[stoooo]

I don't recall what Josh tosses out as the "fudge" factors to compair his dyno to others, but if it was 15% for the dyno, and 15% for driveline loss, you're making over 200 at the crank!
I don't think LSE uses a fudge factor. There are so many other variables that any arbitrary index that raises the numbers only serves to massage the ego of the car owner.

Stuart.

[Wayne92SLC]

Hey guys! Great time on Saturday--I was glad to hang out with everyone for the afternoon!

I had the red 1992 VW Corrado. It made 175.3 whp and 168 ft-lbs. I was feeling a little down until I saw what other people were making. I think the Dyno Dynamics is kind of a heartbreaker. If you want to see larger (and possibly erroneous) numbers, the Dynojet may be a better route. :D

My mods:
Bored to 3.0L and filled with JE pistons
ARP hardware
standard head rebuild with 3-angle valve job and new springs/seat/seals/keepers--no porting (yet)
mkIV VW metal headgasket (raised compression to 10.5:1)
high volume "Euro-clone" upper intake manifold port matched to the lower intake manifold (2-piece design)
ported exhaust manifolds (Jet-Hot coated)
big bore throttle body
Turn2 cold air intake
balanced OE injectors from RC Engineering (gave them 9 and used the best 6)
GIAC "cam chip"
Autotech 262 cams
Techtonics Tuning stainless steel high flow down pipe (Jet-Hot coated)
Techtonics Tuning high flow cat
Techtonics Tuning 2.5" stainless steel cat back with Borla muffler
Unorthodox Racing underdrive pulley set (crank/alternator/power steering)
Lightened stock flywheel (11lb)
Stock Sachs clutch
Peloquin LSD
Setrab oil cooler with t-stat sandwich plate
PCV catch can
poly motor and subframe mounts

I think that's about it...

-Wayne

[weidnerpaul]

I don't think LSE uses a fudge factor. There are so many other variables that any arbitrary index that raises the numbers only serves to massage the ego of the car owner.

Stuart.

Josh refuses to use the "fudge factor".

Although I could have used some massaging with my 63.5 HP.
:p

[esper]

Hey guys! Great time on Saturday--I was glad to hang out with everyone for the afternoon!

I had the red 1992 VW Corrado. It made 175.3 whp and 168 ft-lbs. I was feeling a little down until I saw what other people were making. I think the Dyno Dynamics is kind of a heartbreaker. If you want to see larger (and possibly erroneous) numbers, the Dynojet may be a better route. :D

My mods:
Bored to 3.0L and filled with JE pistons
ARP hardware
standard head rebuild with 3-angle valve job and new springs/seat/seals/keepers--no porting (yet)
mkIV VW metal headgasket (raised compression to 10.5:1)
high volume "Euro-clone" upper intake manifold port matched to the lower intake manifold (2-piece design)
ported exhaust manifolds (Jet-Hot coated)
big bore throttle body
Turn2 cold air intake
balanced OE injectors from RC Engineering (gave them 9 and used the best 6)
GIAC "cam chip"
Autotech 262 cams
Techtonics Tuning stainless steel high flow down pipe (Jet-Hot coated)
Techtonics Tuning high flow cat
Techtonics Tuning 2.5" stainless steel cat back with Borla muffler
Unorthodox Racing underdrive pulley set (crank/alternator/power steering)
Lightened stock flywheel (11lb)
Stock Sachs clutch
Peloquin LSD
Setrab oil cooler with t-stat sandwich plate
PCV catch can
poly motor and subframe mounts

I think that's about it...

-Wayne

Since i have a awd car an work with those most dyno readings are taken on Dyno Dynamics, mustangs or dynojets so i see more cars to compare them to. Those numbers are VERY respectable for a corrado however.

you want higher numbers go over to RS motors and use their mustang. I regularly have read ~15% difference between the two dynos for AWD.

[Wayne92SLC]

Since i have a awd car an work with those most dyno readings are taken on Dyno Dynamics, mustangs or dynojets so i see more cars to compare them to. Those numbers are VERY respectable for a corrado however.

you want higher numbers go over to RS motors and use their mustang. I regularly have read ~15% difference between the two dynos for AWD.

I hear ya. I am pretty happy with the results considering the dyno and what other people are making. It would just be nice to be able to compare apples-to-apples with other people. I guess that's the only setback with Dyno Dymanics dyno. But for tuning, I don't see a better alternative anywhere!

-Wayne

[914 Dave]

you want higher numbers go over to RS motors and use their mustang. I regularly have read ~15% difference between the two dynos for AWD.

This is what I ment about a "fudge factor", just the difference between the way the different dynos calculate the HP based on the run they have been given.

[esper]

its a pretty standard conversion used by people to compare the dyno at LSE vs the RS one etc. I found that it was almost exact on the car that I had dyno'd at both shops.

no idea if there is a difference between AWD and 2WD in the conversion however. its mostly used for comparison purposes across a single model type of car though, 2WD usually puts more power down overall due to less differential and driveline loss, therefore the crank HP can read as lower on a dyno on a 4wd vehicle because it does not account for the losses due to driveline.

[silveracer]

Though I am designer, I have to work with my fellow en-gin-eers, or as we call them behind their backs, "Box Makers," I would say Dyno them at several shops and take the average and there is hopefully no outliers on the bell curve. I have a friend who's instructor in college was the designer at ford and designed the GT40. That dude was all about what looks good, a car with style, but deep roots. Designers make cars look fast, because you can't actually see it moving in a sketch. karman gia, 914, opel GT, Pauls killer bug eyed killer, That's what makes a car fast. It just looks that way standing still. Yeah! give it up for spinners!! Created by a MN designer at MCAD as senior school project. That's qualitative.

[73GT]

Hey Nate I don't think we should feel proud that spinners originated in MN :lol:


Lee F

[LSE Performance]

Thanks for coming out everyone.

Like it has been stated we will not use a multiplier in an attempt to give a "compariable" number. Different dyno's read differently, the importance is to use it for tuning and comparisons while using the same chassis dyno. That way you can all see how you stack up compared to each other.

[rdub]

there is a SIZE joke in there somewhere?

[914 Dave]

Hey Nate I don't think we should feel proud that spinners originated in MN :lol:


Lee F

Yet another good reason to live in WI...