Aug 24th NEW EVENT!

[chuck b]

I am finalizing details for an event at Allright parking lot in St. Paul for Aug. 24th.

It will be a MOWOG points event.

Yes, this is late notice, but the club would love to have a great turnout for our trial of this new venue.

Final decision and details to follow soon......

Out

buck chower
black se-R classic

[MNbiker]

Chuck,

You da man!:D

This is excellent news.(and like the only weekend I don't already have booked!:p )

-Steve

p.s. Let me know when you want the event listed on MyAutoEvents.com, so we can start taking pre-registrations.

[StevenMosley]

Thank you Chuck and Drew and others for the hard work to
make this happen. I can't wait to get on some fresh pavement
and see a creative course that uses the space to its potential.

This is very great news!!!!

[Bill Owen]

Homer voice activated*


Ohhhh.....fresh pavement.

[DCM]

Bill, is that Homer or Gomer?

As in Gomer Pyle? Shaazam!

He's the one that told Andy [Sheriff Taylor] about his cousin Guber.

Guber took over the service station when Gomer went into the Marines.

Guber is the one that put a Ford V8 [flat head of course] into a rowboat.

My kinda' people! Golleee!

Dwight [the red neck] McCullough:D :sarc

[Protege Menac]

Ugh, I will be up in bemidji marshalling the Ojibwe Forest Pro Rally that weekend, and might not get home until sunday morning, but am supposed ot move into my dorm while im at the rally :(


Guess the late notice aborted my ability to autocross :(

[Dennis G.]

When the event IS finalized, how about an address or even better, a link to Mapblast for exact location. Thanks.

[Drew]

Originally posted by StevenMosley


Thank you Chuck and Drew and others for the hard work to
make this happen. I can't wait to get on some fresh pavement
and see a creative course that uses the space to its potential.

This is very great news!!!!


Chuck deserves the credit on this one. He's in charge now. Good work.

Drew

[chuck b]

I'm not claiming a stitch of credit until we pull off a succesful event- so it will require a lot more help (i.e. eventmaster, etc.).

And then when we do, Mosely should get all the credit for spotting this joint.

I am still finalizing the details on the agreement, so when it get's signed off, I'll let everyone know. Until then, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.........

[fitz]

I'll EM it.

[Darryl]

Fitz,

Can you meet me at the lot next week after 5:00. I can measure and make a detailed drawing of the lot.

Darryl

dwrolson@yellowjacket.com

[fitz]

Good question. I don't know what my work schedule is for next week yet.

[washburn]

Back during the Novice School, we took some time and went over to the site. I think it was Salah, Drew, Rex, and myself. Anyway, we took couple of tentative "runs" in my Durango searching for a course design. I think it is definately do-able, but a cerain emphasis must be placed on course design safety. This is not one for a rookie course designer, and the safety stewarts as well as other club officials should preview the course design with enough time to make any changes in time. Whoever design's this course should bring thick skin and leave the ego at home. With all of the talent available, a great course that is safe should be able to be figured out.

Great job for arranging this!! Looks like fun!! (I may be even able to make it to this one!)

Pat

[brm]

Jeremy, you're in luck. Even if this had been scheduled earlier, I'd still be up in Moorhead taking #1 son to college. Drat! The hillclimb looks like a go, though...

[fitz]

Originally posted by washburn


This is not one for a rookie course designer, and the safety stewarts as well as other club officials should preview the course design with enough time to make any changes in time. Whoever design's this course should bring thick skin and leave the ego at home. With all of the talent available, a great course that is safe should be able to be figured out.

Pat

Hey, this is me we're talking about here :D

[washburn]

We trust ya Fitz! :)

I purposely did not assume that the EM is also the course designer. While this has been tradition, it is not a requirement. Other course designs should be submitted to the club by interested parties without fear of being forced to be an EM in order to have the design used. Who knows what kind of great ideas can come about this way. Of course, no one is obligated to use your design either, so take it for what it's worth.

Look forward to it...I think I can make it. (Looking for co-drives)

Pat

[Darryl]

Pat,

You can co-drive my Rx-7.

Darryl

[fitz]

Ummmm, where is this place anyway?

[StevenMosley]

Fitz,

I would like to take a look at the lot and help with the course design. Since I found the lot I think that is pretty fair. I was going to volunteer to be EM, but you jumped on it and I will be flying out of town that night at 7pm and won't have time to stay past 4:30pm so I can't really give the required time.

Please email me and we can discuss this further.

stevenmosley@yahoo.com

[DCM]

Jeremy suggested yesterday that perhaps we should have a committee for course design.
I think that's the way we need to go. Maybe a little less god like control by the E.M.?

Brian Erickson suggested that Randy Williams was always good at course setup's.

Randy, are you out there??

Your phone and e-mail ain't a workin'.
Dwight

[Bill Owen]

I've never run on a course designed by Randy... That would be cool


2 votes for Randy if Steve Mosley can't EM. Steve does deserve first dibs

[SkarTisu]

I'd like to second the motion of course designer not needing to be EM as well!!! :)

I almost didn't take on the EM job because I wasn't out to RUN the event, I was merely interested in designing the course. I think if you go that route, you'll find some course design talent out there that's untapped right now, because of the fear of being forced to EM as well.

*tosses his $.02 in the bucket*

[Drew]

One of the interesting things I observed in Milwaukee (there he goes, talking about Milwaukee again :sarc ) was that in three events there, I never actually heard of anyone referred to as the "Event Master". Pat Washburn spoke at times about some of the techniques the "course designer" had used; but I didn't get the impression that was the person conducting the drivers meeting, or that had overall responsibility for the event.

Drew Baumbach
92 VW Golf (STS)

[fitz]

Originally posted by SkarTisu


I'd like to second the motion of course designer not needing to be EM as well!!! :)

I almost didn't take on the EM job because I wasn't out to RUN the event, I was merely interested in designing the course. I think if you go that route, you'll find some course design talent out there that's untapped right now, because of the fear of being forced to EM as well.



Being "EM" and being "course design guy (or gal)" are two very different beasts. If your really into doing the EM thing right then designing the course becomes that nuisance you have to take care of before the drivers meeting. Having one person who really wants to run the event like an event should be run while someone else takes care of the nuissance part is of course, just fine and dandy. Conversely things tend to go poorly if the EM is really only interested in designing the course and just lets things go on their own momentum once the drivers meeting is over. There has never been any requirement that the EM design the course BTW and no reason there should be either.

On the other hand... Course design by committee?

NO THANKS

The only thing required out of any course designer (no matter how experienced) is that they be open to constructive criticism and suggestions (and they have at least passing understanding of the rulebook), especially if they are fairly new at it. Yesterday for example we had that in spades and my hat is off to Marshall for being an absolute professional in that regard on his first time in the batters box. He can EM/design courses as often as he wants IMHO. At other recent events we didn't have that and there is when we have run into problems. Having a committee isn't going to improve things.

BTW -

My intention is to do both the hard work part and the nuissance part on the 24th. Since I failed to keep up my usual tradition of working the first event of the year this year, I should at least carry-on my other tradition of playing the lead role at new venues. I'm just selfish and egotistical that way :D

[C4Autocrosser]

Nice try Steven...

Dave

[StevenMosley]

Originally posted by C4Autocrosser


Nice try Steven...

Dave

You are lucky Dave. I was going to design a course so tight that would have to put the Vette in reverse at least twice. :)


Originally posted by fitz

The only thing required out of any course designer (no matter how experienced) is that they be open to constructive criticism and suggestions (and they have at least passing understanding of the rulebook), especially if they are fairly new at it.

Fitz, I'm glad you are open to constructive criticism and suggestions and I would like to give mine before the day of the event. :p

[fitz]

It occurs to me that if this thing is going to happen we need to get in on the schedule, and maybe a banner on the main page, directions to the site, and so on.

[Chin]

Hmmm.... may have to bring out the STi for this one (now that I can finally make one). Anybody bring out an EVO yet?

Christian

[washburn]

I waiting for Salah to jump in here because I need a co-drive! :) :)


Originally posted by Chin


Hmmm.... may have to bring out the STi for this one (now that I can finally make one). Anybody bring out an EVO yet?

Christian

[Drew]

Originally posted by fitz


It occurs to me that if this thing is going to happen we need to get in on the schedule, and maybe a banner on the main page, directions to the site, and so on.

We were holding up on the things you mention until the event was confirmed.

Drew Baumbach
92 VW Golf (STS)

[Bill Owen]

SALAH + EVO = FTD

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by Bill Owen
SALAH + EVO = FTD

It could be an interesting battle, if Adam co-drives my car on the 24th to get some seat time before Nationals. By then, the Rex will be fully prepped for Topeka.

-Steve

p.s. unless Salah runs r-compounds, that is....

[Chin]

SALAH + EVO = FTD

Hmm, I think I have a goal now ;)

Christian

[washburn]

Originally posted by Bill Owen


SALAH + EVO = FTD



Let me revise that formula:

PAT + (SALAH'S EVO) = FTD

;)

[Jon Kotek]

Ok well then how about directions to get there??

[chuck b]

The address is 390E Kellogg Blvd, in St. Paul.

[fitz]

Originally posted by chuck b


The address is 390E Kellogg Blvd, in St. Paul.

Am I assuming correctly that the lot in question is the lower lot (along the frontage road) at the St Paul Tech College campus? If so, does that mean we get to use one of the upper lots (like the decrepit lot C) for paddock?

[StevenMosley]

Not that lot.

If you know where the Saint Paul Farmers market is it is down there under
the Highway 52 Bridge. The lower lot would work for paddocking and the
upper lot has nice pavement for us. There also is only 2 ways to the upper
lot so we can make sure we get all of people to sign the waviers.

[washburn]

Originally posted by StevenMosley


Not that lot.

If you know where the Saint Paul Farmers market is it is down there under
the Highway 52 Bridge. The lower lot would work for paddocking and the
upper lot has nice pavement for us. There also is only 2 ways to the upper
lot so we can make sure we get all of people to sign the waviers.

The North end of the upper lot would actually work out pretty well as a paddock. The terrible condition of the pavement and the extensive broken glass/gravel/crap down there, coupled with the fact that the North end gets quite narrow AND contains the up/down access road makes using this area as a paddock make sense. The lot that is usable for course extends from the overhead bridge and South.

If the lower part was cleaned up, it could be used for paddock, but the North end of course would be a major concern due to the access roads and the narrowness. A small part of the course could maybe use some of it

Don't expect 1 minute courses...35 to 40 seconds is my guess if done safely. Variety is great though, ain't it?

[fitz]

Originally posted by StevenMosley


Not that lot.

If you know where the Saint Paul Farmers market is it is down there under
the Highway 52 Bridge. The lower lot would work for paddocking and the
upper lot has nice pavement for us. There also is only 2 ways to the upper
lot so we can make sure we get all of people to sign the waviers.

Hmmmm, I guess I don't have a damn clue where that is then. The address given above is for the Tech College though.

[fitz]

Originally posted by fitz



Originally posted by StevenMosley


Not that lot.

If you know where the Saint Paul Farmers market is it is down there under
the Highway 52 Bridge. The lower lot would work for paddocking and the
upper lot has nice pavement for us. There also is only 2 ways to the upper
lot so we can make sure we get all of people to sign the waviers.

Hmmmm, I guess I don't have a damn clue where that is then. The address given above when typed into map quest comes up for the Tech College though.

[Jon Kotek]

Exactly, I thought it was at the tech college.

COME ON PEOPLE, lets get a good map up on the site so we can have some people show up. Don't make me open up a can of whoopass on someone here.

Jon

[chuck b]

I'll go over there this weekend so I can offer a good set of directions.

As far as paddocking is concerned, use the upper level since we've only rented the upper level.

[chuck b]

i received the signed agreement today- so it's a go!

see ya'll there

out

[phile]

Originally posted by fitz



Originally posted by chuck b


The address is 390E Kellogg Blvd, in St. Paul.

Am I assuming correctly that the lot in question is the lower lot (along the frontage road) at the St Paul Tech College campus? If so, does that mean we get to use one of the upper lots (like the decrepit lot C) for paddock?

That would be WEST Kellogg. The lot is on EAST Kellogg.

Phil Ethier

[phile]

Originally posted by fitz



Originally posted by chuck b


The address is 390E Kellogg Blvd, in St. Paul.

Am I assuming correctly that the lot in question is the lower lot (along the frontage road) at the St Paul Tech College campus? If so, does that mean we get to use one of the upper lots (like the decrepit lot C) for paddock?

That would be WEST Kellogg. The lot is on EAST Kellogg.

Put this addresse into MapQuest:
390 Kellogg Blvd E
Saint Paul, MN
55101, US

Phil Ethier

[DCM]

In addition, we need someone to 'step up to the plate' and be chief of tech. on that day. As Lee won't be there.

Volunteers?????????

Plus, we need to make sure our other leaders will be there.

Do we have a volunteer to tow the trailer?

Registation?

Timing?

Dwight

[Darryl]

Regarding registration:

Steve,

Can you get this event on myautoevents.com?


I will be there at 7:30 to get registration going. I might need to leave at 1:00 or so because it's my daughter's birthday.

Nikki, Steve, Dave and Dave will help with registration I'm sure.

Darryl

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by Darryl

Regarding registration:

Steve,

Can you get this event on myautoevents.com?


I will be there at 7:30 to get registration going. I might need to leave at 1:00 or so because it's my daughter's birthday.

Nikki, Steve, Dave and Dave will help with registration I'm sure.

Darryl

The event is now listed on MyAutoEvents.com. I'll also be at the event early to help get registration and the waiver checkpoint set up.

It's going to be real nice driving 5 minutes for the event this weekend, versus the 10 hour drive I've had the past two weekends!

-Steve

[K.Beumer]

I'll get there early to help with Tech!

[Dave Kral]

I'll help with Registration, Tech, Set-up, Sidewalk Supervision:)... you name it.

[fitz]

My wife just went into labor a tad ahead of schedule (3 weeks) so I'm most likely not going to be able to EM this weekend.

[DCM]

OK, all, looks like we need an E.M.

since my arms are sore, I think we should do this event as a committee.
I will chair the event, and lead the drivers meeting. But will need help with the course setup, and organization.
Dwight McCullough President
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My wife just went into labor a tad ahead of schedule (3 weeks) so I'm most
likely not going to be able to EM this weekend


To all,

This was fiz's post from about 11:00 last night. I feel at this late date
the board should collectively EM this event. This is a new venue and we have
one opportunity to make a good impression. If we decide this is the
direction we want to go lets get it posted ASAP. Dwight, can you post it.

Course design.
Jeremy, Dwight and try to get Pat Washburn involved.

Registration
Darryl and Rex

Tech
Phil S., Chuck, Jon

Drivers meeting

Jeremy or Paul

Darryl

[Darryl]

Dwight,

Thanks for taking charge!!!

You will have all the support you need!

EM by committee, whoa!

Lets pull off a great event!

See everyone Sunday!

Darryl
:)

[washburn]

Mama says I get to come out and play! Swift stays at home though! Currently seeking a fun ride. Any takers?

I will try to get in early to assist with course tweaking if it's wanted. See ya'll there!

Pat

[Darryl]

To all,

I talked with Steve Mosley last night. He said he spent a couple hours at the lot on Sunday night and has a course design.

Darryl

[StevenMosley]

Hello all,

The course I planned is on the west side of the lot and doesn't cross under the bridge.
So all paddocking should be done on the East side of the lot and we will have to make sure that we get keep the paddocking far enough down the lot to keep the starting line out of the paddock area.

We have plnety of paddocking space. Also we should make some signs for Kellog. The lot is not easily visible from Kellog and signs will help. When I stopped by the lot on Sunday, The Saint Paul Saints had rented the lot for street basketball and kind of left a mess so if we do a good job keeping things clean I think we can make a good impression.

See you Sunday morning,

Steven

[Bill Owen]

Sweet, Steve are you gonna EM also?

[StevenMosley]

I can't do the EM thing because of time restraints.

The EM'ings is going to be by the board. I think it will work out
great to share the load of the event and also allow them to
enforce the new procedures that are place without having to
interfere with what the a normal EM is trying to do.

Should be a fun event unless the course sucks. jk

[MNbiker]

Question - how much do we need to worry about noise at the Allright Parking site? We haven't posted ANY notices/warnings about noise restrictions on the Forum or MyAutoEvents, so it will be hard to turn cars away for being too noisy.

I have two very specific reasons for asking about noise restrictions:

1. There's an A-Mod car registered for the event. He's driving up from Farmington, so we'd better warn him in advance, if there's going to be a problem.

2. I just installed a trailer hitch on my car, and can't re-install the muffler until some special longer exhaust hangers show up in the mail. So I'm currently running my straight pipe - which is pretty loud, as a few MAC members have noted.:p

-Steve

[StevenMosley]

Originally posted by MNbiker


Question - how much do we need to worry about noise at the Allright Parking site? We haven't posted ANY notices/warnings about noise restrictions on the Forum or MyAutoEvents, so it will be hard to turn cars away for being too noisy.

I have two very specific reasons for asking about noise restrictions:

1. There's an A-Mod car registered for the event. He's driving up from Farmington, so we'd better warn him in advance, if there's going to be a problem.

2. I just installed a trailer hitch on my car, and can't re-install the muffler until some special longer exhaust hangers show up in the mail. So I'm currently running my straight pipe - which is pretty loud, as a few MAC members have noted.:p

-Steve

Noise is an issue everywhere. (ok maybe not Saint Cloud) Sooner or later we will have to properly address this. We don't want to run into a case where a we can point at someone and say they are the reason we lost a site. If something is to loud we have to tell them no, no matter how far they came from. It is about doing what is best for the club and not an individual. It is a tough call to make, and someone is going to get upset and mad, but it has to be done.

Steven "the muffler man" Mosley

[washburn]

Most of the noise complaints are for tire squealing, not engine noise. This was the case at Hennepin. I say show up and run. If people are going to complain, they will do it no matter how much we police the mufflers.

Pat

[StevenMosley]

Originally posted by washburn


Most of the noise complaints are for tire squealing, not engine noise. This was the case at Hennepin. I say show up and run. If people are going to complain, they will do it no matter how much we police the mufflers.

Pat

Pat,

I agree with what you said about Hennepin. It was not a matter of noise. It was about us being there. Tire noise is not going to be enough to attract people attention. Loud cars will. 99% of cars are fine, but if someone shows up with no exhuast past there header like someone did at Hennipen it is going to attract attention that we don't want.

Steven

[MNbiker]

Originally posted by StevenMosley
Noise is an issue everywhere. (ok maybe not Saint Cloud) Sooner or later we will have to properly address this. We don't want to run into a case where a we can point at someone and say they are the reason we lost a site. If something is to loud we have to tell them no, no matter how far they came from. It is about doing what is best for the club and not an individual. It is a tough call to make, and someone is going to get upset and mad, but it has to be done.

Steven "the muffler man" Mosley


Well, my car won't be an issue, as I'm going to temporarily wire up the muffler hangers. My car's gotten a lot louder, since I added the header last week. Enough so that it's annoying to even drive around with the straight pipe.

-Steve "soon to be muffled" Garnjobst

[ScoobyDriver]

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