View Full Version : 2nd Annual National Street Tire Challenge
2superblus
03-03-2010, 01:14 PM
http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/nstc/nstc_camaro.jpg
http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/solo/2010/nstc.html
This year we are offering Four classes:
All Wheel Drive, Front Wheel Drive, Rear Wheel Drive and Muscle Car for older muscle cars and resto-mods.
All cars run on their PAX index, other than the “ST” cars which will run on their Street Prepared PAX.
Bridgestone is putting up 2 sets of tires! A full set of RE-11's to the overall PAX winner and a second set of tires to a competitor drawn at random.
Special trophies for all four class winners.
Special commemorative t-shirts for all participants.
Camping available at very close by State Fair RV Park.
Lunch available for sale on site by Cousins Subs.
Event entries may need to be capped, so be sure to register on line and early.
Make a weekend out of it with your Dad for Fathers day and stay for Milwaukee Region SCCA Event# 4 on Sunday.
Become a Fan of the National Street Tire Challenge on Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/National-Street-Tire-Challenge/216425333865?ref=ts
Pre-Register below
http://register.scca-milwaukee.org/
larry200
03-03-2010, 01:53 PM
All cars run on their PAX index, other than the “ST” cars which will run on their Prepared PAX.
Prepared PAX, not Street Prepared PAX?
-- Larry "not that it matters" B.
Teddy.B
03-03-2010, 02:33 PM
Is there another event the on the 20th? One must be a scca member correct?
porkbone
03-03-2010, 03:00 PM
Should be street prepared PAX, if it's like last year. So the LLN Civic will run in CSP.
What about "Street Touring" classes? Because the PAX index for these classes already reflects the use of street tires, ST, STX, STS, and STU cars will compete on their Street Prepared Index. For example, an ST 1989 Civic Si will compete on the C Street Prepared (CSP) index in the "F" class.
And yes, we'll be there (for the Sunday event too)! The poster looks cool.. nice work.
JKarsten
03-03-2010, 03:03 PM
If people were looking for a good event weekend this would a good one, Bridgestone is great to have at an event let alone hosting one. Should be a great time.
larry200
03-03-2010, 03:13 PM
Is there another event the on the 20th? One must be a scca member correct?
You do not need to be an SCCA member for either of these events. Non-member entry is slightly higher (just like MAC).
For CENDIV on July 31 and August 1, I believe that SCCA membership is required (and according to the Milwaukee SCCA website, advance online pre-registration is also required).
-- Larry B.
Derek69SS
03-03-2010, 03:24 PM
Muscle Car for older muscle cars and resto-mods.
Calendar marked :rockon
2superblus
03-03-2010, 03:44 PM
prepared pax, not street prepared pax?
-- larry "not that it matters" b.
fixed!
Spread the word!
AlexL
03-03-2010, 03:52 PM
No fun cars allowed?
MNbiker
03-03-2010, 03:53 PM
As much as I find this an interesting event, it will likely eliminate one trip to Milwaukee for me. For those of us who run on race tires, the scheduling of this event eliminated one of the two-event Milwaukee weekends that make the trip worth it. :(
(and no, I have absolutely no interest in driving 5 hours to run a DP car on street tires...... :flush:)
AlexL
03-03-2010, 04:00 PM
Prepared PAX, not Street Prepared PAX?
-- Larry "not that it matters" B.
ST has allowances that SP doesn't. For instance, aftermarket wings are illegal in SP, and would get you bumped to SM.
Sounds like fun! Much better timing this year than last. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the time off work!
BSTON
03-03-2010, 04:49 PM
(and no, I have absolutely no interest in driving 5 hours to run a DP car on street tires...... :flush:)
You could always co-drive a car on Saturday. After all, the cost per run on a car on street tires is close to nothing. :)
ST has allowances that SP doesn't. For instance, aftermarket wings are illegal in SP, and would get you bumped to SM.
Not necessarily- as long as you follow all of the other Street touring rules you can always run an ST car in SP just by slapping on race rubber in the allowable size of ST (that's the way I've understood in anyways). If I wanted to I could run a big wing on my STX WRX in ESP- as long as I didn't exceed the 245 tire limit. I don't think it would be legal to up my boost though- since I'm following the ST rules. That's my interpretation anyways.
MNbiker
03-03-2010, 05:24 PM
Not necessarily- as long as you follow all of the other Street touring rules you can always run an ST car in SP just by slapping on race rubber in the allowable size of ST (that's the way I've understood in anyways). If I wanted to I could run a big wing on my STX WRX in ESP- as long as I didn't exceed the 245 tire limit. I don't think it would be legal to up my boost though- since I'm following the ST rules. That's my interpretation anyways.
Mostly correct. Here's the exact wording from the Street Prepared rules:
Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national Street Touring (ST) class rules are permitted to compete in their respective Street Prepared classes, with the additional allowance that they may use any tire which meets the requirements of 15.3 and fits on the ST-legal wheels and within the ST-legal bodywork.
ada///M
03-03-2010, 06:48 PM
assuming I'm still in Michigan I'll be there for sure. Less sweepers and turn-around's this year please :D
larry200
03-03-2010, 07:01 PM
ST has allowances that SP doesn't. For instance, aftermarket wings are illegal in SP, and would get you bumped to SM.
But SM still isn't Prepared. Guess one size does not fit all.
-- Larry "one size rarely fits me" B.
Darryl
03-03-2010, 08:48 PM
I really hope this builds into a big event... Maybe a 2 day Street Tire National Championship.... Good luck... Any event is worth the trip to Milwaukee... Great site and people... And what Pat said, cool poster...
Cheers
That would be pretty fun! There's no reason why SCCA has to have a monopoly on National events!
MNbiker
03-03-2010, 09:29 PM
That would be pretty fun! There's no reason why SCCA has to have a monopoly on National events!
Since when was Milwaukee Region not an SCCA club? :?
Since when was Milwaukee Region not an SCCA club? :?
Line of logic:
National Street Tire Challenge isn't an SCCA National Event, AFAIK. The parent club is an SCCA club, but they're offering an alternative event with a different title sponsor (not TireRack).
It might follow that if the event gains popularity, it might branch off into a separate event / series with different "cars to have" in the respective classes.
That's all speculation, but I'm all for supporting street tire events.
MNbiker
03-03-2010, 11:51 PM
Line of logic:
National Street Tire Challenge isn't an SCCA National Event, AFAIK. The parent club is an SCCA club, but they're offering an alternative event with a different title sponsor (not TireRack).
It might follow that if the event gains popularity, it might branch off into a separate event / series with different "cars to have" in the respective classes.
Sorry, I'm not following your logic that this isn't an SCCA event. Of course it's an SCCA event - the club sponsoring it is one of the larger & more prominent SCCA Regions in existence, with a Milwaukee Region member currently sitting on the National Solo Events Board (SEB) to boot.
I do agree it's cool to see experiments like this by individual regions. It's a great way to try out new ideas without making a large National commitment to something that's unproven. :)
Sorry, I'm not following your logic that this isn't an SCCA event. Of course it's an SCCA event -
That's not what I said.
It's a National event. But not run with National SCCA classing. PAX isn't an official anything. Of course Milwaukee SCCA is an SCCA group, but the event isn't a National SCCA-type event.
MAC isn't an SCCA anything and we have numerous national SCCA board members.
My point was that it's a smart idea to start "National Street Tire Challenge" under Milwaukee SCCA for branding, but there's nothing that requires it to stay "SCCA" if it gets popular enough to stand alone. There's already a precedence in WAI to have another autocross organization run at Miller Park.
2superblus
03-04-2010, 09:36 AM
I really hope this builds into a big event... Maybe a 2 day Street Tire National Championship.... Good luck... Any event is worth the trip to Milwaukee... Great site and people... And what Pat said, cool poster...
Cheers
If the event goes as well as we hope a 2 day event may be on the plate for next year.
MNbiker
03-04-2010, 10:34 AM
My point was that it's a smart idea to start "National Street Tire Challenge" under Milwaukee SCCA for branding, but there's nothing that requires it to stay "SCCA" if it gets popular enough to stand alone. There's already a precedence in WAI to have another autocross organization run at Miller Park.
Sorry Charles, I just can't see where you're going with this. Milwaukee SCCA is an SCCA club to it's very core. Thinking the region would purposely create some type of non-SCCA series seems pretty far-fetched to me. If it proves popular enough, I could see the event spawning related events hosted by other SCCA regions. Just from a practical standpoint, what organization bedsides the SCCA could actually pull off a national autocross series anyway? NASA has proven unable or unwilling to do so, and no other organization has the reach.
Sorry for continuing to to lead this thread off-topic. Lets get back to talking about the event itself. Anyone have a competitive street-tired car with an open co-driver seat for this event?
On topic: I have a spare set of OEM wheels to run TBS in the CR.
Off topic: What makes Nats or Nat Tours popular? Competition, contingency and camaraderie.
National Street Tire Challenge is a good part of the way there. Last year they talked about the event being designed for people not going to Nats (hence the scheduling). This year, I'm thankful that they're allowing Nats-type people to play.
The title of this event would suggest they're trying to be a stand-alone event and not a model for other regions. Or else it'd be "Milwaukee Street Tire Challenge."
If we bring enough MAC members and Chicago Region brings theirs, we could have quite a solid showing.
washburn
03-04-2010, 11:24 AM
The real purpose for this event....in my opinion...is to bring awareness to the idea of running Stock class cars on Street Tires. It's called "National" because I think they want everyone to know this is an invite...not a local deal. "Please travel to Milwaukee for this" I have various personal views on Street tire in Stock , but there's no denying that this is a good move for someone promoting this idea. You get a bunch of these going that are well attended by people who travel, and pretty soon people will start to be swayed that there is viability in this idea. It's more than anyone else has ever done for this cause...no one has gone much farther than writing e-mails on forums. So good luck...I find it very interesting, and am looking forward to it myself. (with my SP index)
The real purpose for this event....in my opinion...is to bring awareness to the idea of running Stock class cars on Street Tires. It's called "National" because I think they want everyone to know this is an invite...not a local deal. "Please travel to Milwaukee for this" I have various personal views on Street tire in Stock , but there's no denying that this is a good move for someone promoting this idea. You get a bunch of these going that are well attended by people who travel, and pretty soon people will start to be swayed that there is viability in this idea. It's more than anyone else has ever done for this cause...no one has gone much farther than writing e-mails on forums. So good luck...I find it very interesting, and am looking forward to it myself. (with my SP index)
Agree 100%.
So if in 5 years, this event is very popular with >500 entries and they say to the SEB, "Look, stock classes can be run successfully on street tires." And the SEB says, "Good for you, we're sticking with R-comps..." then what next? It would be a logical splitting point to have a parallel non-SCCA sanctioned series.
People thought LeMons and ChumpCar were silly, but they've exploded in popularity, supporting the notion that you don't have to spend lots of money to have fun in motorsports. I'm hoping that "street tire" autocross catches on as well.
2superblus
05-06-2010, 01:01 PM
Optima Batteries is on board and will be giving away a battery to the winner of each class and one to a participant at random!
So who is coming down to Race?
Derek69SS
05-06-2010, 01:33 PM
I am planning to, but I'm not registered yet... will wait to decide for sure closer to the date.
the tick
05-06-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm planning to be there in my STS, er I mean CSP CRX...
Optima Batteries is on board and will be giving away a battery to the winner of each class and one to a participant at random!
So who is coming down to Race?
murph
05-06-2010, 03:54 PM
yep, I'll be there in my DSP 330. =]
njbed
05-06-2010, 05:24 PM
Thinking about it. Haven't had a chance to go to Milwaukee so this might just be a good weekend to try....
2superblus
05-10-2010, 02:44 PM
Come on down the event will be a great time!
Chippy569
05-10-2010, 03:22 PM
TSMF anyone?
2superblus
05-12-2010, 03:01 PM
^what?
2superblus
06-03-2010, 09:24 AM
Ok so who is coming to race and try to win one of two sets of Bridgestones , one of the 5 Optima batteries to be given away?
RedlineToy
06-03-2010, 10:07 AM
Planning to be there in the CSP? Miata.
magicsammy
06-03-2010, 10:52 AM
it's on my calendar - what I will be driving, that is up in the air
larry200
06-03-2010, 10:59 AM
I'll be co-driving with The Tick in our "CSP" CRX. Looking forward to our first Miller Park event of the year.
-- Larry "designated tire warmer" B.
ada///M
06-03-2010, 03:29 PM
I'll be there again, although I'm probably going to Chicago for their event on sunday. Hoping to have a better showing than last year, but I'm pretty sure Fenter and Trevor are going to humble the rest of the rear drive class.
washburn
06-03-2010, 04:20 PM
I'll be there again, although I'm probably going to Chicago for their event on sunday. Hoping to have a better showing than last year, but I'm pretty sure Fenter and Trevor are going to humble the rest of the rear drive class.
Why not stay right in Milwaukee? There's an event the next day.
We're probably going to slap the OEM wheels back on the CR and run TBS.
murph
06-03-2010, 04:29 PM
If anyone's interested, I'd love a co-driver for the event.
ada///M
06-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Why not stay right in Milwaukee? There's an event the next day.
Couple of reasons:
I'm going for season points with the Chicago region
I have relatives about 20 minutes from Joliet, so no hotel stay, and usually a very nice dinner
I actually prefer the courses in the chicago region, as they often suit my cars strengths pretty well, although they are starting to feel pretty repetitive.
edit: oh, and chicago is on my way back home. I realize this wouldn't make much sense for all you westerners :P
Andres3165
06-03-2010, 07:11 PM
Tempting, tempting...:evil::evil:
Andres
the tick
06-03-2010, 07:48 PM
Tempting, tempting...:evil::evil:
Andres
You know you want to!
If anyone's interested, I'd love a co-driver for the event.
I'm interested in trying something new assuming its not raining :) shoot me a pm
2superblus
06-07-2010, 12:18 PM
Can't wait to see you all there!
magicsammy
06-07-2010, 12:23 PM
anybody need a room or a roommate?
magicsammy
06-11-2010, 08:15 AM
bump for rooms/roommates - anybody need a roommate or a room?
shane86
06-11-2010, 12:54 PM
Might be interested steve.... waiting on reply from co-driver on if/how he wants to go to this event.
2superblus
06-14-2010, 01:24 PM
everyone should want to drive this event!
washburn
06-14-2010, 06:53 PM
PM'd you
shane86
06-14-2010, 10:07 PM
I'm out... thought i booked the day off months ago... and didn't...
and then they swung the hammer of OT...
porkbone
06-15-2010, 11:04 AM
I need to transport some wheels/tires to this event and I'm challenged on trunk space. Would anyone be able to help transport them for me?
thanks!
washburn
06-15-2010, 11:11 AM
If it helps, I can make sure there's room to bring them back in the Civic. That way, the whole package will be together in one place again. So...whoever helps Chris get them there, they won't have to bring them back.
magicsammy
06-15-2010, 11:11 AM
I have room in the Pilot
ada///M
06-16-2010, 06:09 PM
In, pre-registration closes tonight at midnight so make sure and get registered if you plan to make it. How about a transition friendlier course this year :P
I think we're going to spend the day with my folks in Chicago Saturday and do the regular event on Sunday.
I was kind of surprised that there were no ladies' classes for the Street Tire Challenge.
Well, I guess we're doing the street tire challenge on Saturday and the regular event on Sunday. We're staying at the Residence Inn Brookfield.
2superblus
06-17-2010, 01:28 PM
All right! We have a new suggestion for next year!
RedlineToy
06-17-2010, 01:46 PM
Is there a schedule posted for Saturday anywhere. It could be me but I cannot find one on the Milwaukee Region Website.
Thanks,
VanFab
06-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Hey Ya'll. Anyone have some floor space on Friday nite?
I'm not doing the event, but I need to drop off some parts in the area, and I'm going to stop by and watch you guys for a while :).
the tick
06-17-2010, 06:48 PM
Is there a schedule posted for Saturday anywhere. It could be me but I cannot find one on the Milwaukee Region Website.
Thanks,
Larry,
It's run by the Milwaukee region, so I'm assuming we will follow the schedule as shown on the bottom of there events page http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/solo/2010/10sched.html
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Cool new vinyl wrap for Milwaukee bus!
Todd F, Todd C, Murph, Chris D, Pat, Meschke, Jocelin, me, Adam B, Larry S, Larry B, John M, Alex A checking in.
hafftrak
06-19-2010, 09:30 AM
Cool - looks like a beer truck!
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Was a fun day yesterday! Pat kicking ass despite being saddled with an SP index. Chris DeLay doing the Lucky Lugnut proud. Murph and Meschke trophying. Jocelin as the second fastest woman through the morning and just getting nipped by Mary Bahr and Denise Cashmore on final afternoon runs on the stock OEM Bridgestone RE-070s. Alex Awsumb quitting smoking (everyone check in on him whenever you see him to keep him honest, please), Larry dropping chunks of time. John Mensch driving fast despite having to adjust to setup changes mid-event. I have too much "Spirit Animal" and made a few smoky burnouts on a few runs, but put a clean one in the books to take another round in the Charles-Todd S2000 battle... lost an oil filler cap on course, but thankfully a 91 CRX cap fits just fine (thanks John and Larry!). Co-driving with Todd tomorrow with his tires (and oil filler cap) and our car in the morning and his car in the afternoon for some testing and round three of our S2k challenge. Jocelin co-driving with Meschke after John helped fix Steve's seat rail!
Almost forgot: Nice guy Trevor Jones taking top overall index time in his G-stock Genesis!! Congrats!!
the tick
06-21-2010, 06:03 AM
I had a lot of fun hanging out with Little Minnesota (with a few token cheese heads), a stray cone kept me out of the trophies Saturday, but put that right Sunday! More time in the CRX appears to be helping, Larry's picking it up too (FRE went 1 & 2!!!)
Thanks to all that made it out, it's always great to hang with all y'all, and that even more when we're in Milwaukee!
magicsammy
06-21-2010, 12:09 PM
this was a lot of fun even if I was teased mercilessly for running on skinny tires and how wrong it looked.
I got my very first 11th place trophy in Rwd class! Food, folks and fun with a chance to win stuff, how can you go wrong?
The course was fantastic on Sat and almost equally good on Sun (sorry, that left-right before the finish was just icky).
the tick
06-21-2010, 01:02 PM
Steve, I have a "1st place tee shirt" that we pick up at trophy awards for you!
this was a lot of fun even if I was teased mercilessly for running on skinny tires and how wrong it looked.
I got my very first 11th place trophy in Rwd class! Food, folks and fun with a chance to win stuff, how can you go wrong?
The course was fantastic on Sat and almost equally good on Sun (sorry, that left-right before the finish was just icky).
magicsammy
06-21-2010, 01:04 PM
Great! I hope you grabbed a XXL or we'll have to toss it into the dryer and give it to Matt "Minnesota Slim" Murphy
larry200
06-21-2010, 01:06 PM
And apologies to Todd Freeman for not thinking to grab his third-place trophy/t-shirt (the t-shirt option is pretty cool).
-- Larry "1.2 seconds, that's less-than-one-cone" B.
Steve, I have a "1st place tee shirt" that we pick up at trophy awards for you!
Derek69SS
06-21-2010, 01:35 PM
Anyone get any pics of the "musclecar class" competitors? I'd like to see what I would have been up against... I really wanted to go, but needed to save some money.
toddfreem
06-21-2010, 01:36 PM
And apologies to Todd Freeman for not thinking to grab his third-place trophy/t-shirt (the t-shirt option is pretty cool).
-- Larry "1.2 seconds, that's less-than-one-cone" B.
Thanks for your concern, Larry, but I had requested the chit option. A fun, competitive weekend with good people. Great to see all the fathers out doing what they enjoy on their day.
the tick
06-21-2010, 03:30 PM
It most certainly is!
Great! I hope you grabbed a XXL or we'll have to toss it into the dryer and give it to Matt "Minnesota Slim" Murphy
toddfreem
06-21-2010, 10:16 PM
Where are the results posted? Thanks.
larry200
06-22-2010, 08:04 AM
They're on the Milwaukee region website, but it got hacked yesterday morning and has been down ever since. Only the Sunday results were up, and even for Sunday the link to PAX results wasn't working.
-- Larry "left-foot braking is hard to learn" B.
ada///M
06-22-2010, 08:06 PM
site is back up and results are posted.
http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/solo/2010/NSTC/NSTCFinalResultsClass.htm
didn't do as well as I had hoped but at least I did better than last year. It was a great confidence booster to be in first even if it was only for a few minutes after my first run :p Only dropping .640 between my first and fastest runs was the killer... seems like a lot of others not as used to street tires dropped a lot more and I just kept losing positions all day. Ah well, better luck next year.
edit: nice work on overall raw time pat! There was a pair of very fast STU/BSP cars from chicago at the event too! wow
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